Saturday, June 4, 2011

Where does God exist in relation to time?

In the Bible, God seems to follow a linear sense of time. He acts and reacts according to the situation, becoming angry at the Israeli%26#039;s actions, and even changing his mind on occasion in the Old Testament.





My point is, how is this at all an omnipotent being? If God lived in a linear timeline, with a definitive present, wouldn%26#039;t God be seen as under the laws of time?





If God is all-present in both space and time (the more logical conclusion for an omnipotent being), then how would actions in time provoke any sort of reaction in God?|||Its a good question, but I think I may have an answer. Sequencing is not necessarily dependent on a past, present, and future. If God is outside of time, then probably the best way we can conceptualize that is that all things to God is simultaneous (even though this is still a reference to a point in time and am not sure the analogy is perfect). It is conceivable that certain actions by men results in certain responses by God in a sequential manner that is not dependent on time. For instance, in the case of God changing His mind about destroying the Israelites after Moses interceded, I can conceive that God, from all eternity knew that He was angry at the Israelites in consequence of their rebellion and that He relented from the intention of destroying them because He chooses to involve men in His divine plans, and His man (Moses) asked Him not to do it.





Maybe another good analogy would be to imagine a flow chart. You%26#039;re God and the flow chart is the actions of men. You can look at the flow chart all simultaneously but certain results still follow specific actions that aren%26#039;t time dependent from your standpoint (technically it would still be time dependent because a person coudn%26#039;t process every element from a flow chart simultaneously, but I just track with me and pretend its possible) even though the events are time dependent from the standpoint of whatever the flow chart is representing.





Since God knows we%26#039;re bound to time and that%26#039;s how we understand things, its reasonable to assume He would relate to us in terms of time rather than getting into a deep philosophical spiel that lots of people couldn%26#039;t understand and since it is irrelevant to the point of His Word to us anyway which is to save mankind from their sins. People complain about how difficult the Bible is to read now. Imagine if God tried to tell the Old Testament narratives in which God intervenes in the affairs of men and He didn%26#039;t present it in a time related way. It would be needlessly cumbersome. It would be sort of like, instead of the Bible saying, %26quot;When the sun arose, King David took a walk around his kingdom%26quot; it said %26quot;when the rotation of the Earth was such that the sun was just becoming visible over the horizon created by the curvature of the Earth%26#039;s suface from David%26#039;s vantage.%26quot; It%26#039;d be really hard to tell a story like that.|||This is an excellent point. Based on the level of answers here, asking questions like this is like shooting fish in a barrel.





In a recent question I asked, I%26#039;m sure you know of which I%26#039;m talking about, a lot of people responded by saying god is outside time, but as you point out, that%26#039;s not the picture you get from the Bible, now is it? Have a star.|||God told Moses to tell Pharoah the great %26quot; I AM %26quot; sent you. That means that God is always right now.He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He never changes. He does not have to change. We are imperfect and should aolways change. All of us need some change.|||He is the beginning and the end.





To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. (Ecc. 3:1-8)





It%26#039;s all in God%26#039;s time.|||The question you ask was ask by Einstein. It lead him to the Relativity theorem of matter and energy.





Based on the Bible he gave us all a soul which is how he connects to this plane. Based on that he would know everyone thoughts.





If you think of worm hole theory he could be at any place at any time and since he is incorporeal could be seemly everywhere in any instant.





To think we know enough now to come a conclusion is fallacy.


Our awareness of all science in minuscule to that, that is.





We still have not fixed our science to incorporate the Mobius strip that Our theorems say can not exist.|||My brother says this best. We are in a pea try dish and God is doing an experiment type thing with us. He says this is the easiest to understand. So time is in that dish with us, as well.


And God is outside, but able to open it up and do things in it.


take care.|||http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-God-鈥?/a>