Friday, September 23, 2011

What is so believable about the idea that absolute right and wrong exist?

Please don%26#039;t go into the obvious logical fact that it is easier to preset beliefs on absolutes, thereby not needing to consider the situation before judging it%26#039;s moral or ethical correctness.





If people were thinking logically, that argument would crumble under the logic of the eternal truth that nothing is absolute in the universe. The only known constant is change, movement, etc.





So therefore this must be a religious, emotional or otherwise irrational belief, or part of a larger belief system, and I would very much like to know where it%26#039;s roots lie.|||It%26#039;s believable because it%26#039;s truth. However, if we insist on limiting our experience to the observable, we won%26#039;t recognize the supernatural. It may be an eternal truth that there is no absolute good in the universe if by that you mean that God is not %26quot;in%26quot; the universe in the sense of being subject to the laws of nature and physics. Maybe a better way of saying it would be, %26quot;nothing we can measure in a laboratory is absolutely good.%26quot; And I don%26#039;t know that and it%26#039;s not awfully interesting to me. People who have not received the gift of faith in God and been enlightened to His existence by the Holy Spirit can%26#039;t see things from their perspective. The fact that you can%26#039;t get God into a test tube doesn%26#039;t disprove His existence. The categorical dismissal of the testimonies of those who have experienced His redemption makes me wonder if knowledge is really the goal, or maybe instead it%26#039;s an unwillingness to %26quot;come and see,%26quot; because of the implications of realizing that there is an omnipotent, omniscient Creator with Whom we have to do. But I say fear not! He is absolutely Good.





EDIT: To your first question, yes, I believe that only God is absolutely good. The best person is only relatively good. I%26#039;m not stating this dogmatically, that nothing in creation is absolutely good, but that%26#039;s what I believe at this time. To tie that to your second question, remember: since I believe that only God is absolutely good, then anything I say is necessarily not absolutely good. So, my answer is, if absolutely right means absolutely good, then absolutely right is still exclusive to God. What Christians rely on is that God is working everything to the good of those who love Him. That He can cause good to come out of bad. For example, Tamar prostituting herself eventually brought us Jesse, David, Solomon and ultimately Jesus Christ. On the other hand, when Uzzah reached out to steady the Ark of the Covenant, God struck him dead. It seemed he was doing the right thing, but apparently it was not a good thing. Did Judah think he was doing the right thing when he sold Joseph into slavery? I doubt it, but that act wound up being Judah%26#039;s salvation, in a sense, as Joseph%26#039;s power that resulted from that evil deed eventually rescued Judah from the famine. Proverbs 14 tells us that, %26quot;there is a way that seems right to a man, but the end of that way is death.%26quot; God sees the big picture. We don%26#039;t. If we rely on our human understanding and knowledge. we will be putting our faith in a temporal, corrupt and imperfect thing. So again I defer to the scriptures which tell me to, %26quot;trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding.%26quot; I think we can get bogged down in semantics here very easily. In fact, I think I already have!|||Thanks so much for your kind words and 10 points! :)

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|||People NEED that sense of something MORE.





Religion never did it for me, but being spiritual does.





And, almost every mainstream religion claims it is the only truth out there, when they are blind to the fact, ITS NOT. Simply put. No if ands or buts about it.





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You find the truth within yourself, you have free-will, and you must FIND the truth, TRUE TO YOUR OWN BEING.


You have the power to come to your own conclusions and believe what you feel is right, not what someones TELLS you is right.





The Bible is not always the TRUTH for one individuals being.





Find what conforms to YOUR OPINIONS, then go from there.|||YA I WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT ////WHAT!!!!!!!|||What I wonder about are the roots of relativism.


Where is the logic in that?|||you are wrong , to ask this type of questions here.. you must pray for your salvation. Read the bible. try to believe in god. you will come to know. Believe what the book is written.. That%26#039;s the truth. we are not monkeys. god created us from sand. believe the book.|||Your question is not easy. I just know that our conscience tell us what is right and wrong.





Do you want me to give you a right or wrong answer to your question?





You can find the truth in the bible.|||It is easy to illustrate. Red is not Blue. At no time is red blue. If red was blue, it would cease being red and be blue. There is purple in between, and there is red and blue. Are these not absolutes?|||There are certain things that seem abhorrent to most people. For example, torturing children. If you don%26#039;t like that example, pick another. Pick something that you find extremely unacceptable. then ask yourself %26quot;Shouldn%26#039;t EVERYONE consider this action bad?%26quot; Then ask yourself %26quot;why?%26quot;. For a Theist, the answer can have to do with %26quot;the mind of %26#039;god%26#039;%26quot; and being in Harmony with %26quot;HIM%26quot;. The Atheist seems to be forced into moral relativism--%26quot;we were taught that way%26quot;. Well then we could have been taught another way. Are all ways equal? I don%26#039;t think so. If you choose, you can embrace moral relativism. Many people have. I understand that there was (is) a Creator, who will one day soon be my judge, and I choose to be in harmony with HIM!|||anybody who knows anything about human history knows that right and wrong have fluctuated wildly as our society evolved.





I sometimes wonder what our great-great-etc-grandchildren will condemn, as we have condemned, for instance, slavery.|||You either make a choice or you don%26#039;t, you can find out the consequences of it. Knowing the ramifications of the choice will help you make that judgement.


Your judgement can change, for example, slavery. When it becomes more difficult for your inner knowing(conscience) to keep using others in servile ways for personal gain, you will change. The issue of abortion is today%26#039;s issue of slavery.|||I agree the only constant is change. When the book Tom Sawyer came out many people were angered by the fact that how could this boy help a runaway slave? Yes, I%26#039;m aware that Abolitionist supported the theme of helping a runaway slave. Today most would agree that Tom was a maverick and morally correct.





Is there absolute right or wrong or are there many colors with various shades.Look at the people that think of terms in plain black or white. You probably would not associate with them for long periods.|||Awesome question! My answer is Chaos. I%26#039;ve never looked into the %26quot;chaos theory%26quot; but understand how it works (if that%26#039;s possible).


There is no such thing as absolute wrong or right, just ideas.


Ideas are what we all live by, or ideals. Most people just agree that things are wrong or right (I have my own theories).


Your question is almost philosophical; just sitting on the fine line.


From knowledge of history and my own experiences, I can only guess (at religion). Society agrees upon the norm, but who says society is right or wrong?